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Supporters Stand to Change Pattonville's Equal Opportunity Employment Language

Six speakers addressed the Pattonville School Board Tuesday night requesting the school district change its equal opportunity policy to include sexual orientation.

 

Pattonville School Board President Robert Dillon backed off on requesting speakers at the April 12 Pattonville School Board Meeting not say the same things over and over again. More than 30 people stood in support of speakers requesting that the school district’s equal opportunity policy be changed to include sexual orientation.

Six speakers explained to the Pattonville School Board how the district’s policy should be changed. Speakers read anonymous letters from teachers who did not feel comfortable addressing the board due to their sexual orientation. 

Dillion told the audience that the board will bring their concerns into a discussion at a later time.

Currently Pattonville's Equal Opportunity policy states: "It is the policy of the district to afford equal employment opportunity to qualified individuals regardless of their race, color, national origin, ancestry, religion, sex, age, disability, veteran status, or to the extent required by all applicable laws. The policy of equal opportunity applies to recruitment, selection, placement, promotion, transfer, compensation, benefits, and termination."

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Chris Wimmer

10:52 am on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Thank you for the coverage of this event. However, I do have one criticism, and that is that President Dillon did ask the speakers to not say the same thing over and over. He asked that they not bring up the same issue. The fact is that the speakers were teachers, students, parents and support staff all with a unique outlook. Asking any one of those speakers to silence themselves would be asking not to be shown the extent and nuance of the situation.

Thanks again for your work,

Christopher G. Wimmer

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Integr8er

8:50 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Wow I wish I had known about this beforehand so I could have gone down and argued the pitfalls of handing our schools over to sexual deviants. Fortunately our board had the wisdom to table the issue in order to give time for opposition viewpoints. So if you are opposed to your kids having to sit in a classroom and be indoctrinated with this immoral lifestyle let’s get out there and speak up.

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Maggie

9:40 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

"Handing our schools over to sexual deviants" - wow! I hope that you are not teaching our children. I guess you are not a supporter of the Social Justice initiative within the district or even the words in the Pledge of Allegiance that staff and students recite - " Justice for ALL"!!! This is the kind of hate and discrimination that will fuel this campaign. Thank you for your thoughts and opinions. I hope if there is any question as to why our Gay/Lesbian and Transgender teachers need to be protected, this will provide proof of the hate that exists.
I want my child to be "indoctrinated" with ideas that include,tolerance, acceptance, humanity and fairness. Discrimination and Hate are not currently Character Education Traits that Pattonville has posted in classrooms.

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Integr8er

2:11 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

You throw the word hate around very loosely, there is nothing hateful in disagreeing with a social topic, I NEVER said I hated anyone, all I said was I didn't want those people indoctrinating my kids into thinking that their lifestyle was in any way acceptable to me or anyone I would associate with. And no I am never in favor of anything that starts with the words social justice, that is another word for income redistribution that the left uses as a cover. It is interesting though that for such a tolerant person you are not very tolerant of me. At least I'm not afraid to say I don't like someone and say also I am NOT tolerant. But you, you say you are tolerant, but act in a different way.

T.W.

6:22 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

I think it is interesting that you think teachers stand up in front of their classrooms and teach students about sex--be it heterosexual or homosexual. Last time I checked, the school classroom was not a "how to" guide for having sex! So I guess it's "unreasonable punishement to force my kids to spend time with" teachers of another race if I weren't okay with it. Or teachers who are Republican. Or Democrat. Or Jewish. Why not homeschool your children and then you only have to worry about indoctrinating them with your own views about the world?

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Integr8er

2:20 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

I'll tell you why I don't home school, because I already pay for that school, and I have no choice about that, give me a voucher for the money you take from me to fund that school, and I will gladly go find a school that shares my values.

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Integr8er

2:22 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

By the way if you think teachers don't shed their moral and political views on the kids in their class you have obviously not spoken to anyone who goes to school there.

Kelli

7:00 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

There were closer to forty people who were at the meeting in support of changing the policy and they were there representing the more than two hundred staff members who signed the petition in favor of these changes. Over 95% of Fortune 100 companies include "sexual orientation" in their non-discrimination policies and districts like Special School District and Ladue already have this in their policy and have for many years. The people who spoke at the meeting were not saying the same thing over and over but were sharing how they personally view the need for a more inclusive policy. There were staff members, community members, parents, alumni and students. After two speakers Mr. Dillon told the crowd that he had heard enough and didn't need to hear from anyone else but the other four speakers exercised their legal right as residents and tax payers during the public comment period of the meeting. The last speaker was told by Mr. Dillon that she couldn't speak unless she had filled out a card which she had and Mickey Schoonover confirmed that the card had been filled out and turned in. Mr. Dillon then found her card and she gave her statement.

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Buddy

7:34 am on Sunday, April 17, 2011

In reading the comments of integr8er it's easy to pick out a right wing fanatic. Integr8er (who I will refer to as segreg8ter) is just trying to go out of his/her/transgender way to show how pius they are, segreg8ter would try equally hard to show us all how patriotic they are. Basically looking for an opportunity to show everyone how good they are, kind of like a daily affirmation for themselves. There is no need to be afraid. segreg8ter this is just something else you don't understand, probably just one topic on a very large list. To try and help you with your confused life keep some things in mind. Fear and paranoia are very closely related to stupidity, thumping a bible with one hand while waving a flag with the other doesn't make you a good person and g.o.p. doesn't spell God.

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Integr8er

10:28 am on Monday, April 18, 2011

Nice job Buddy, you found my political stance out...Wow that was hard. Ya I'm right wing, how did you guess, and in typical liberal style, you think that is bad, well I think your values are bad, now that everyone knows where we both stand let’s move on. Transgendered way? what does that mean, are you saying I am some sort of he/she ? that is ridiculous, and I guess was done to elicit some emotional reaction. Too bad, it's the right brained that live by emotion, not us left brained people (look it up right wing and right brained are not the same thing) You have a lot to say about me and you don't know me at all, but nice try, I can see that you are not really commenting on anything I said, but are just bashing conservatism in general. Nice of you mister know-it-all to in such a condescending tone tell me how confused I am, and how I don't understand. Ok, so I'll play show me your source that suggests that fear and paranoia,(whatever that has to do with the conversation other than your delusional position that what I have to say is stupid) are at all related to stupidity? By the way buddy up to this point I have not mentioned the bible at all other than in the last post which was just a reference to and opposing group of the GSA, so where did pull that one out that I "thumped" anything? Like I said your response didn't address anything specific in this thread other than your general hate for conservative values.

Integr8er

10:10 am on Monday, April 18, 2011

Hey Alex, kinda long on name calling and short on content there. Not sure I understand your gag snake reference, but yes I comment on topics that I have strong opinions on, what is wrong with that? And it's only venom if you disagree. There is no joke here Alex, it is very serious, and I don't try one BIT to be anything BUT transparent, why do you think I am here? Yes I guarantee a Math teacher or any other subject for that matter will as all the teachers there and everywhere in the country do base a portion of their daily comments on their personal political and moral beliefs, so YES that is exactly what i think will happen, no that is what ALREADY happens. One example of the schools one-sidedness is the gay strait alliance is allowed to put up posters selling the normalcy of homosexuality, but is a religious group allowed to put up a poster...Heck no. the reason Homosexuality is compared to bestiality is because sex based on procreation has a purpose greater than personal pleasure, all other sex has no other basis than personal pleasure, and thus there is no difference in pleasuring yourself with an animal, or another same sex person, it is just a pleasurable experience, so they have nothing differentiating them. Ok, the rest of your rant just isn't coherent, and there really isn't anything to reply to, and I think it is not me who is going to self-explode.......take it down a notch chief, before you blow a gasket.

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Integr8er

5:28 pm on Monday, April 18, 2011

At the end of the day it is I who will go home happy that I have done my duty to protect my children and others from this disservice to the world. I am very happy. Just because I don't like the things you and yours do does not mean I am unhappy, and there you go again with your hate garbage, disagreement does not equal hate, but because you think by calling it such you discredit the argument entirely, well it doesn't work like that.
You must not have noticed that my very first post said I wish I had known so I could attend, but publishing an article AFTERWARD makes that difficult.

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Integr8er

10:37 pm on Monday, April 18, 2011

Alex, you are really thick headed, I am well aware that you can review all my posts, except for the ones they take down. I said I don't go to town hall meetings, this was a school board meeting as far as I know, that is not the same, and I said I don’t, and not that I never would, I can change my mind if I am motivated enough. Keep calling it hate, but that doesn’t not make it so, and it also does not make my argument less valid. Disagreement does NOT equal hate no matter how many times you say it. Just because I don't like what the city has become does not make me an unhappy person, I am happy as heck with my life, just not this environment, but that doesn't make ME unhappy, nor do I understand your interest in my disposition.

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Integr8er

10:38 pm on Monday, April 18, 2011

This like other discussions I have had with you amazes me that you can't understand slightly complex issues. Now listen close. I never said Gay's like sex with animals, I don't know what they like, what I said was there is NO difference in Man on Man sex and Man on animal, read earlier post for clarification, if you read my other posts, you would see more clarification. and as far as judging people, everyone judges people, come on. To show what this means let me ask you, do you tolerate people who advocate, and participate in bestiality, or incest, or man boy love? if you can't say that you accept them then you DO JUDGE them, you can't have it both ways. So you accept deviant sexual behavior or you judge people which is it? This is no longer a simple question about a school policy, it is philosophical question about what constitutes deviant sexual behavior and you are trying to change that definition from its historical meaning with no new data on which to base that change. I’ll say it again if you missed it before, the only form of sex that has any differentiation is man woman sex, and the difference is it’s requirement for procreation and longevity of the species. Everything else is for sport.

Integr8er

10:45 pm on Monday, April 18, 2011

Alex understand as well that my conversations with you are not for your benefit, it is for other readers, to expose the hypocrisy of the liberal left, and their lack of logical order in their thought process, and thus expose the flaws in their conclusions. Thanks for the help

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Integr8er

11:50 pm on Monday, April 18, 2011

"Kind of like a governor who will preach about abstinence and then have her daughter have a kid of her own as an unmarried teen"
You mean rather than just going to planned parenthood and having it sliced to bits and sucked out? Ya that is what I mean.
But I am not talking about a political party, I am talking about ideology, not individuals in a particular political party. Conservatism, or libertarianism is not a political party, and cannot be dismissed by pointing to individuals bad behavior.

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Integr8er

9:30 am on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Alex, try to stay on topic, the topic is Pattonville and their employment protection program for homosexuals. Just because you can't understand my other arguments either is no reason to run this one off topic. I didn't say drunks should drive, I SAID BAC is no measure of impairment, so try to stay with me. Look I don't know what Stormfront is, so whatever to that? Don't you even read, I said just a couple of posts ago that Both sides should be allowed to have an open honest discussion, but you don't want that you only want comments that promote your agenda. Since you asked, at least I say, conservative beliefs are the ones that should be followed, and discussion boards like this are where we explain why that is so. When, WHEN did I cry that my rights have been silenced, since you have read all my posts you should know that I recently said " If I am disallowed so be it, but I will stand my ground so far as I am allowed." It was you who said " How is it that you will delete comments in response to the same person who is just openly trolling and looking to cause trouble?" looks to me like it is you who is whining. Lastly you don't know what hate is, you have thrown that word around in every post you have made, and it still isn't sticking. Disagreement does not equal hate, and everyone who dislikes your president is not a racist. I think Patch can see that I have not violated the TOS and THAT is why my posts are still up.

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Integr8er

9:32 am on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

You DO NOT have a right to sign on to a site you don't own and expect to see only things you like to see.. You get to see whatever the owners decide to let stand, they own this site not you, or the public at large. It is very socialist of you though to think that.

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B.P.

2:55 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

"and everyone who dislikes your president is not a racist." just so you know. since your son and daughter go to Pattonville i am guessing you live in the USA and umm "HE" (president Barack Obama) yeah he is YOUR President to just like HE is Mine PRESiDENT SHow RESpect!

Integr8er

9:43 am on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

"You are going to say no to sex education and only say yes to abstinence" Alex wasn't it you who said " If a math teacher happens to be gay, you think he's just going to suddenly throw down his calculator and go in to details about his sex life to his class?" so no maybe not Math, but this sex education class you are talking about, and pushing for, that would include Homosexual info?...Ya that is what I thought.

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B.P.

1:57 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Being a student yes they already teach some things on homosexuality to protect the GAY students. But no teach can or will share information about there person sex life that is just silly to even say let alone believe

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Integr8er

2:29 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

BP understand it is not explicit details that i am concerned about, it is the attitude that it is acceptable behavior, that is the problem, it is the same as telling our kids if you like animals go ahead an embrace your diversity and take one for your wife/husband. It is the SAME.

B.P.

1:55 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Integr8er I understand that every person has the right to state their own opinion. I dont at all agree with you about some of your views. I kinda of agree that you arent posting this stuff out of hate but at the same time i think you are confused with why they are saying you are a hater. I am sorry to say this but i mainly think you have a negitive view on homosexuality because of ignorance. Have you ever sat done with a gay person and had a true conversation about this stuff. And even if teachers arent protected in the discrimination policy there still are gay teachers teaching at pattonville and there is nothing you can do about that... or what about the gay students at the high school they are around your son and daughter everyday and there is nothing you can do about that. I think you need to find education on homosexuality because homosexuality is not only found in humans its found in all kinds of other speices on earth. And homosexuality has been on earth since the beginning of time. I personally am liberal, left wing, GAY, non- religious person so obviously i will have opposite views but your evidence of why homosexuality is wrong is because your evidence is bias and highly ignorant. for example even comparing bestiality I have done much research on this topic and i know more than you can even dream about Homosexuality. I can respect your passion for your views(although ignorant) and your passion for your children.

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Integr8er

2:49 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Well I can at least have a conversation with you as you are not nearly as hostile as the other guy, I am aware that there are gay teachers there, and students, I support their absolute right to have any kind of lover they want to, that is what freedom is, but where I draw the line is when we, as a society, say that this deviant behavior, and it is deviant simply because it is not part of the procreation cycle which is required for the sustainability of the species, is NOT deviant simply because lots of people do it. It is also completely unfair to offer special protection for ONLY race religion, sexual orientation...etc etc. If you are going to make a protection policy it should include EVERYONE, or NO ONE. And when I say everyone I mean EVERYONE no matter if YOU like their particular diverse ways or not, and I don't think that you or anyone else is going to accept absolutely EVERYTHING so we should then accept nothing other than that which can be logically deduced. This doesn't mean you fire them, but you also don't say you cannot fire them. There are already laws on the books protecting persons jobs from wrongful termination, we don't need to specifically say you can't be fired if you are gay.

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Integr8er

2:50 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

I have said this as many ways as I can there may be homosexuality in many species, but in humans any sex that is not steeped in procreation has no natural benefit beyond pleasure and you can't make a logical argument that one type of recreational sex is better than another, therefore bestiality is no worse or better than homosexual sex. There just isn't a logical argument for this.

B.P.

2:00 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

I was there at the meeting it was great thank you everyone who came!!!!!!!!!

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B.P.

3:10 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Okay well again i disagree, "therefore bestiality is no worse or better than homosexual sex." bestiality is Illegal!
also, "it is deviant simply because it is not part of the procreation cycle which is required for the sustainability of the species, is NOT deviant simply because lots of people do it." what about birth control and condoms. or having you tubes tied, etc. that is not part of "the Procreation Cycle" and people who dont have kids! And who said that Homosexuality is unnatural AGAIN ITS found all throughout nature ITS been around since beginning of time. ANd i am sorry to say this but just because your bible says that its wrong doesnt mean that for a fact it is wrong! also HOMOSEXUALITY was around long before JESUS and before christianity. You can't use religion as LOGICAL evidence Religion is I belief NOT fact. and you cant say it is because you are not 100% positive there is a God.
Also, "any sex that is not steeped in procreation has no natural benefit beyond pleasure
" It is also completely unfair to offer special protection for ONLY race religion, sexual orientation...etc etc. If you are going to make a protection policy it should include EVERYONE, or NO ONE. And when I say everyone I mean EVERYONE" i can say that i think EVERYONE should be created equal. even in teaching jobs as long as they a qualified. And i cant believe you think a teacher would tell students things about there personal sex life!!!!

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Integr8er

3:23 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Yes BUT WHY is it illegal and Homosexuality is not? that is the question. No one can tell me what the difference is that makes one ok and the other not. Are you asking for a special employment status for those who use birth control? I don't think anyone is. It is unnatural because it is NOT required for the longevity of the species, that is why i said that, it is recreational. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT a BIBLE? where do keep getting that? Again as I said before it's not about personal details, it is about trying to pass it off as acceptable.

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B.P.

3:48 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

i am saying that birth control doesnt cause longevity of a speices. it stops procreation. and so you are saying is the only reason people have sex is because the need to recreate thats bull crap. Homosexuality is not wrong! thats why it isnt illegal. bestiality is wrong that animal has no choice in the matter the animal is not able to express the fact that they dont want it like rape if a person doesnt want in its wrong. In homosexuality is not wrong! in the relationship the two persons involved are both giving consent.

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B.P.

3:54 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

I believe you need to look up the definition of NATURAL sir here you go http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/natural
Nature
based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth is a natural process.
being such by nature; born such: a natural fool.
having or showing feelings, as affection, gratitude, or kindness, considered part of basic human nature.
based upon the innate moral feeling of humankind: natural justice.
having a real or physical existence, as opposed to one that is spiritual, intellectual, fictitious, etc.

B.P.

3:13 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

"By the way if you think teachers don't shed their moral and political views on the kids in their class you have obviously not spoken to anyone who goes to school there." you are wrong because I am a student at pattonville along with your children and teachers "don't shed their moral and political views on the kids in their class" I think i would know that more than you and what about parents they shed their moral and political views on the kids too

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Integr8er

3:25 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

No, I'm afraid you don't, I talk to my kids, and I have to fix things have been told at school, I know things that have been said and done and teachers absolutly DO shed their personal viewpoints.

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B.P.

3:41 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

You are again mixing it up. if you child is being taught a different view its not sheding there personal viewpoints. because how can you learn and grow if you dont hear the view from all angles you can look at it one sided and say thats right! I think you a confused person. Ppl keep saying you are hateful people the only reason you would say such things is hate you are not only disagreeing but being hateful. please enlighten me what is the def. of hate! i am liberal and proud of it because the only thing i have seen from the right wing is that their views are right! no matter what. even if presented with a better or way more logical view or point they stick to there views they can talk out issues but never change there views. that is ignorant to me. Right side needs to learn to grow and accept when wrong. to learn is to grow. YOU MUST TAKE ALL OTHER VIEWS IN CONSIDERATION BEFORE LOCKING IN 100% YOUR VIEW OR BELIEF!

B.P.

3:17 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

You keep saying left wing doesnt use logic.... most right wingers are christians umm if there is one perfect example of not using logic its christianity! so right wingers dont use logic all the time PLUS if your a right wing person or left does make up the way you use your brain your thinking of left and right handed. And it fact that women and left-handed persons use both sides of there brain, Logic and emotion!

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Integr8er

3:46 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

What I said was left brained and left wing are not the same, that is because Left brained people are logical and sequential, and left wing liberals are emotional and random. So a left brained person is most likely to be right winged politically. Again there you go with religion, I am not here to debate your religion or lack thereof. How you handle your eternity is your business alone.

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B.P.

4:04 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

I know what you said sir, I am telling you ARe wrong! read what i said. the side of the brain a person uses is not decided by there views. your wrong. the side of the brain you think on is determined by which if you are left and right handed. And it fact that women and left-handed persons use both sides of there brain, Logic and emotion! by the way i am left handed so i see logic and reason. AND I KNOW YOU DONT WANT TO ARGUE RELIGION IS BECAUSE YOU WILL LOOSE. "How you handle your eternity is your business alone." QUIET TRYING TO MAKE JABS AT ME. YOUR BELIEF IS NOT A FACT SO SAYING THAT MAKES YOU SOUND SILLY IN A DEBATE (LIKE THE ONE WE ARE HAVING) BECAUSE YOU, A PERSON who prides them self on logical thinking,can't use religious attached arguments in am debate. Or decuison whatever you would like to call it. because it doesnt make your point.

B.P.

3:21 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

"BP understand it is not explicit details that i am concerned about, it is the attitude that it is acceptable behavior, that is the problem, it is the same as telling our kids if you like animals go ahead an embrace your diversity and take one for your wife/husband. It is the SAME." wrong Homosexuality is not illegal bestiality is. And i totally disagree with bestiality but if someone wants to have sex with an animal who am i to say thats wrong. its their life and i most learn to execpt there are ppl out there like that. and being SEXUALLY attracted to the same sex is not the same as being attracted to a different speices ! you have to see that.

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Integr8er

3:55 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Whether or not it is illegal has no bearing in a conversation about what is right or wrong, if you think laws are based on right and wrong you have not lived long enough to know the truth. Again you say I "have to see that" I don't, I see no difference. And I tell you once you get homosexuality accepted the very next thing that the left will push for is something as crazy as just that. So at least you admit that you are ok with bestiality since you say "who am I to say that is wrong" that is the first step, for as we know "all that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" and you are advocating doing nothing.

B.P.

4:19 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Again you are not readin what i am saying with an open mind. if i would have never said anything about my age your comment about not living long enough would not have come up so whatever with that! Laws are made on right and wrong and other things but not on beliefs. YOU are hard headed. and you and i both know that you commented to raise reactions of ppl. i hate to say you have gotten the better of me. The only reason you commented was to argue not talk it out, no you wanted to throw out your views because no one else wants to hear from you. and once you have educated your self on homosexuality then come talk to me. you say you are happy well ignorance is bliss. you dont understand homo. so you disagree and you fear it so you disaree. educate yourself. you see no difference because you dont want to!!!! you are stuck in your silly brain. I told you i think bestiality is wrong but i CANT change how someone is. I totally disagree with it, its wrong to treat animals that way but you dont believe in animal abuse.... (i know you didnt say that but your daughter, my friend, told me that) i laugh that you think homo. is crazy. And if you do decide to educate your self on homosexuality you can contact me any time and ask me anything you wanna. I hate to see that there are ppl out there that think this way. Plus you never answer fully to what i have to say you pick and choose so good day to you sir

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B.P.

4:20 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

I believe you need to look up the definition of NATURAL sir here you go http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/natural
Nature
based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth is a natural process.
being such by nature; born such: a natural fool.
having or showing feelings, as affection, gratitude, or kindness, considered part of basic human nature.
based upon the innate moral feeling of humankind: natural justice.
having a real or physical existence, as opposed to one that is spiritual, intellectual, fictitious, etc.

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Integr8er

4:45 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

If by reading with an open mind you mean am I open to your coercion then you are right. I am not open to that. You said you would not speak out against bestiality because you can't change another person, and then in the next sentence you say you don't agree with it, well if you don't speak out against things you don't agree with what are you doing here? We don't speak out in order to change that person we speak out to set a stake and pinpoint our own position. Age or not you have no understanding of the legal system if you think it is all about right and wrong and fair. You will get an opportunity to see that someday I'm sure. You and I both know you went down and got a petition together and called a meeting to raise a reaction, I didn't start this you all did. I surely do NOT fear homosexuality, I detest it, that is not fear, it's more like the smell of rotten meat, it makes my skin crawl and my stomach turn. I won't be coming down to see you to learn about your disability, so don't wait up.

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B.P.

5:48 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

"all about right and wrong" never said that . and again I disagree with bestiality but i cant change that person i may speak out about it but i dont hate them for it or i dont dislike them for it like you do sir. I dont thing legal system is all about right and wrong. but SOME LAWS are for right and WRONG SIR. "disability" i dont have i disability i am very capable and ABLE to do a lot of things. I understand, again, that we brought this to the board of education to decide whether or not to do this no one asked for your opinion. Oh and you say that YOU dont HATE DETEST is another word for hate. And i remind you, you as a 30-50 year old "grown" man is arguing with a 17 year old gay kid that goes to Pattonville so........ and
" You and I both know you went down and got a petition together and called a meeting to raise a reaction" i personally never got a petition together and we didnt call the meeting nor did we do it to raise reaction we did it to add 5 little words to a policy that should have been there in the first place! sir. and if you dont want this so bad "for your children" then you should either move to some southern religious school or join the Board of Education so you can vote on it sir. and i mean having an open mind: having a mind receptive to new ideas, arguments, etc.; unprejudiced. you really need to go to office max and get a dictionary or try using http://dictionary.reference.com/

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Integr8er

11:35 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

"Laws are made on right and wrong and other things", look at your post from 4:19, you said it. I never said I hate anyone, or even dislike a person for being a certain way, hate in my view is when you advocate violence towards that person, otherwise it is disdain, or disgust, and both are fine to express if that is how you feel. I may not be willing to be around someone and if that is what you mean by tolerance then Nope I'm not tolerant. No apologies, that is just how it is. Homosexuality is a genetic disorder like alcoholism, you are born that way, but you can control it too if you want to, or you can just go with it, that is the path you have taken because no one told you different. You took this to the board, I pay for that board, so my opinion does not need to be asked for, how much exactly did YOU pay for the right to speak? That is right nothing. I might remind you, you came here and engaged with me, not the other way around, So....?

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Integr8er

11:35 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

well you said we did it...what is "it" if there was no petition, and you didn't go to the board meeting and speak? You, in this context means the group in favor of changing the charter. there are no five words that should have been there in the first place, there should be no special exception for gays, and whatever other special interest groups that get picked by name to be protected, it should be all or none, but outlining ONLY SOME is not something that should have already been there. Why is it that you thing I should move? maybe you should move to San Francisco. Having an open mine? seems like a good way to get it infected with this stuff.

B.P.

5:50 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/natural
Nature
based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth is a natural process.
being such by nature; born such: a natural fool.
having or showing feelings, as affection, gratitude, or kindness, considered part of basic human nature.
based upon the innate moral feeling of humankind: natural justice.
having a real or physical existence, as opposed to one that is spiritual, intellectual, fictitious, etc.

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Integr8er

12:01 am on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

"based on the state of things in nature;" ie procreation and reproduction of a speicies, this IS natural.

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B.P.

11:26 am on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Or how in nature, like i have said a million times, animals have homosexual sex too!

M.A

8:43 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

I just want to interrupt this heated discussion to throw in my two cents if that's alright.
First of all, I agree with 95% of B.P's statements. Secondly, "disability" is defined as "lack of adequate power, strength, physical, or mental ability". Homosexuality is not a disability. Ignorance, however, is a disability. Ignorance prevents you from viewing things with an open mind, no one is being asked to completely be all for homosexuality, Integr8er, no one is asking you to go to Pride Fest. You are just being asked to be tolerant. I, myself, am gay and go to Pattonville as well and I have lots of friends who while they may not be completely for homosexuality do not judge people based solely off of orientation. Tolerance is all that is being asked for. Which there is definitely a difference between tolerance and acceptance. You are not being tolerant in saying homosexuality "disgusts you" and "makes your stomach turn", yes, that is some open mindedness at its best right there. You're treating it like a disease and you even compared it to a retched smell.
I also just want to say that religion really is not a good enough reason to argue against homosexuality. The Bible says a lot of things that aren't taken to heart. If we lived by every word the Bible said then quite frankly our society would be nowhere near what it is today. As well as the fact that I have TONS of religious friends who are completely accepting of homosexuality. They don't judge based on orientation or gender

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Integr8er

11:47 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

That's cool there is room for more. Is alcoholism a disability, because I see homosexuality as being much like that, you are born predisposed to a bad behavior, and it is your challenging life to overcome it. That is what I meant by disability. Ignorance? I am not ignorant, I know what you are selling, and I'm not interested. Ignorance does not prevent you from viewing anything, ignorance is a lack of knowledge, so it prevents nothing. (see your friends dictionary) tolerant is not adding specific wording that protects YOU as a group but leaves out all others, so don't tell me about tolerance or inclusion. I am being tolerant, as I am not saying you can't exist or even act and be with anyone you want, I said that before, but asking the board to explicitly sanction you and your group is not part of tolerating you. My disgust etc. is just how the thought makes me feel, it is a real physical event, so you can't blame me for expressing that in the best words I could find. Here we go again with religion, I have not made ANY reference to religion as a basis for any of my posts. So Please all of you, you can stop with this, i know you hate God and don't believe, and dismiss the authority of the bible, so that is why I chose to leave that out, I don't need to invoke that to make my point. I could say more here, but like I said I can make my point without it.

M.A

8:48 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

identity. Also, procreation is another invalid argument against homosexuality. Just because gay couples can't procreate doesn't mean they deserve equal rights? Alright, fine. But then we might as well take away the rights of old couples and infertile couples too, because they can't procreate either.
I'm not forcing you to change your view on homosexuality, Integr8er, what is being asked though is that you learn to tolerate. I respect your opinion, (I wish you had harder evidence to back it up), but quite frankly, your way of expressing your opinion is wrong. You are simply being asked to tolerate and not to discriminate. Even if the change in the district policy was made, it doesn't mean everyone has to LOVE the idea of homosexuality, it doesn't mean everyone is being forced to go to Pride Fest or run around with a rainbow flag, it just means that they can tolerate and coexist with their gay co-workers, as well as in society with people tolerating the gay people around them. You don't have to be best friends with someone who is gay, but you should definitely not judge them based on their sexual orientation, because really, as important as my orientation is to me, it's not the biggest part of who I am. Who someone is sexually attracted to is really none of your business and you shouldn't discriminate against someone just because they are gay and you think it's wrong.

Tolerance is key.

I'm just saying.

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Integr8er

11:58 pm on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

I didn't say you had to procreate, what I said was, now listen because it is subtle Man/woman sex is the kind of sex that is required, and thus is the kind of sex that is ordained, woops you won't like that word, ok, let’s see...is proper and required for the species to exist, so it is man/woman sex that qualifies as proper. All other is recreational. So I didn't say discriminate against anyone, what I said was this is the only proper sexual pairing that fits this need and objective. Ok it is the only one that has anything to differentiate itself from all others. So don't try to misuse my words, or change the meaning. I don't care to tolerate any more change, and I don't have to. I like things the way they used to be and don't see any need to change anything.

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B.P.

12:41 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Who is the judge of what is proper or not its an opinion! so quit using that for evidence

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Integr8er

1:17 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

We collectively as a society must judge what is proper and what is not, there are things in this world that if tolerated will kill you. Would you say that you are tolerant of Muslims? Of Sharia law? Because if you lived in Iran you would be killed for your actions. I would say then that we all better be very careful of what we tolerate.

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